Transcript 0:00 [upbeat music] Welcome back to Tasteland. I am Francis Zehrer. And I'm Daisy Alioto. And Daisy, who are we speaking with today? Today we're speaking with Natasha Hoskins. 0:16 She's the GM and co-founder of Boys' Club, which is a media and lifestyle brand and community of smart people that sometimes like dumb things. 0:25 [laughs] She's been on the podcast before with her co-founder, Dina, and I'm so excited to have her back because a lot has changed since then. I am excited to hear all about it. 0:35 Uh, while we wait for her, I wanna say, so I told you, I think, on the last episode that I deleted Twitter from my phone. Mm. It was a little dry January thing. Mm-hmm. 0:46 I found myself really not missing it at all, and in, in the wake of really not missing it and how good it feels not to scroll Twitter, I'm still looking at it on the computer, let's be clear, uh, 0:59 I, I finally succumbed to an, a months' long onslaught of Instagram ads and bought one of those Bricks. Dude, Brick's been doing a huge soft power push. Yeah. 1:10 I, I actually noticed because I was like, "I should reach out to them and see if they wanna advertise in Dirt," 'cause I can tell that they're spending money. Well, mine hasn't come yet. 1:19 I think it's supposed to arrive today, but look, I'm, I'm gonna become a user. It's a great tie-in for them, you know? They should, uh... Easy sell. Definitely an easy sell. 1:31 Anyways, yeah, I really don't miss Twitter at all. I thought I would. 1:34 I, I- I saw a great tweet, a description of what Twitter feels like right now, and they said it's like when you're at the after party and you're in the portion of, like, watching music videos together- Oh, that's not good... 1:45 but then somebody puts on... It gets later, and somebody puts on some weird shit, but you're, like, too high to get off the couch. It's 3:00 AM, yeah. Yeah, and it's like 1:54 you're, like, trying to figure out, like, "How can I just sleep here?" [laughs] Uh, moving on, another thing. So tonight I'll... 2:04 By the next time we, we record, I'll be able to talk about this, but tonight I'm going to the Karl Ove Knausgård School of Night book launch at the, on the Upper West Side. 2:15 But the reason I bring this up, uh, you know, we'll talk about that next time, but I got, I got physical tickets. Um, this is a video pod- I'm sh- I'm holding up the tickets- Wow... dear listener. 2:24 But I, I specifically opted instead of, you know, email them to me, text them to me, whatever, or, uh, or even will call, I had them mail them to me because I don't remember the last time I've had a physical ticket. 2:35 And it... I really, I really like it. You gonna frame it? [laughs] I might. I'll see if I can get them slotted. I was thinking of framing my, my MetroCard, my last paper MetroCard. Mm. Mm-hmm. 2:45 Um, putting it in a little shadow box. Well, did you see that- You know what you should do actually? You should- Oh. 2:49 You should do, like, you know how people make, like, those floors of, of, of tiled with pennies, and then they epoxy them? Yeah. Uh, you should [laughs]... I don't have enough. 2:58 You should, you should redo your bathroom with [laughs] epoxy-style MetroCards. Look, somebody's gonna do that. That's like Brooklyn Bathroom Core. 3:05 Um, friend of the pod Aaron Summers did a piece about Knausgård for Airmail. I don't know if you saw that. I have not read it. Yeah. Who's, uh, interviewing him? You know, I've no idea. That's okay. It was also... 3:21 I'm gonna... It was... This was, this is no McNally Jackson Seaport book launch event. This was $60. I, I thought that you were gonna... 3:32 saying that to be derogatory on me, but I, I realize that you're s- you just wanna dramatize the price of these tickets. Um- That's precisely what I'm doing... 3:38 can't remember the last time I paid $60 to do, like, anything. It's obscene. It's obscene. Um, I- Well, get your bag. [laughs] Now he g- yeah, [laughs] 3:48 you know, he, he has so many cigarettes he has to buy, so I think I'm just fine with, uh- Well, I have some off-mic gossip for you. Oh, okay. Well, we'll, we'll earmark that for later. Yeah. 3:57 I, I did get front row seats though, but the, the prices were the same regardless of where you sat. This isn't some dynamic, dynamically priced event. Well, that's very Scandinavian. [laughs] To sit front row? 4:06 No, to price everything [laughs] the same no matter where you're sitting. [laughs] Yeah. Uh, I'm quite excited though. 4:12 I, I finished my last book I was reading last night, which I brought up on the last episode, The Feather Thief, about the Edwin Rist- Oh, yeah... guy who stole the, all the feathers. So I'm, I'm primed and ready. 4:24 Perfect timing to start this new book. That book, um, you know, I'll s- I'll spoil the ending here for any rapt listeners. If you're thinking of reading it, maybe skip ahead, hit that 30 seconds button three times. 4:39 But the guy doesn't get caught. The guy doesn't get caught. He, he, he l- he gets off, no sentence, on an Asperger's defense, uh, given d- diagnosed- [gasps] What?... by Sacha Baron Cohen's cousin, and then... 4:54 who h- who happens to be, like, a psychologist in the UK. And, uh, yeah, then he, he's just a concert flautist in, in Germany now working under a different name. But he d- served no prison or anything. 5:07 Asperger's defense. Well, Luigi Mangione, if you're listening, I have a, a great idea for you. [laughs] No comment. 5:15 Um, I thought you were gonna say that the ending was, uh, they found out the real feathers were the friends we made along the way. Hmm. No. No. But yeah. 5:25 Asperger's defense is going to enter my regular vocabulary though, so thank you for that. [laughs] You're welcome. [upbeat music] I've gotten really into this one podcast called Ride. Are either of you familiar with it? 5:43 Mm-mm. No? Okay, it's pretty brain rot. Um- [laughs]... but it's, uh, Benny... I know him as Benny Drama 7. Mm. He's, like, a, a-Socialite, internet personality Benny Drama Benny Drama, exactly Yeah Yeah, Benny Drama. 5:56 Okay, Benny Drama, it's his podcast with his best friend, who's this female comedian. Comedian. I'm sorry I said female. That's upsetting. [laughs] Yeah, you mean comedienne, with an N-N-E. Exactly [laughs] exactly. 6:07 Um, Mary Beth Rogge, and it's... I- I've just become hyper-fixated on it. Mm-hmm. Like, I've been fans of them for a long time, eh, but like you know when you're like, "Wow, I'm like really in the archives on this one. 6:19 I'm going all the way back." Like- Oh. But is she the one that did the Golden Globes red carpet? She is, yes. Okay. She is. So I mean, she's like a big deal. 6:25 She's a big deal, yeah, and she's having like a really big year. Um, and anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. 6:31 Oh, they, in their podcast, they'll say something, and then they'll be like, "Dear Media, clip it," 'cause they're... It's a Dear Media podcast. Oh, yeah. And so I'm just gonna be like, "Tom, cut it." 6:40 [laughs] That's perfect. There you go. I... One comment on pod- Like, it's interesting that you say you go back in the archives. I can't think of... I can only think of one podcast that I'll go into the archives for. 6:50 Almost every other one, you know, there's just too many, and I'll- Yeah... listen to newer episodes. 6:53 But the one that I do is, for some reason, my fiance and I, like on road trips, we'll end up listening to TrueAnon, and we'll go into some archive TrueAnon episodes, and I find- Okay, well, I don't know TrueAnon. 7:05 What is TrueAnon? What, what- TrueAnon is... I think they just recently hit their 500th episode. Oh, my gosh, wow. It was the first podcast that I really started listening to, but they started... 7:13 In earnest, they started to cover the Epstein trial way back- Oh... way back when. Okay. And then, like the third episode, he- Okay, it's kind of renewal... 7:20 he, he, uh, you know, lost his life in, in- He, he left this-... strange circumstances. [laughs] Yep. But, but since it's just sort of like... I would characterize it as a leftist- Okay... 7:34 journalism- It's a woker Comptown Chapo successor. Yeah. Okay. They do good journalism. And they have- They do a lot of research... a permanent woman on the mic. Mm-hmm. Okay. What is permanent woman on the mic? 7:44 [laughs] Permanent woman on the mic. [laughs] Is it Franceca? A female podcaster. [laughs] Liz Franceca. [laughs] Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. 7:49 You probably saw on Clone, she did like a, My Internet for embed recently- Oh, yeah, an embed. That was good... on Ben and Ivan. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Mm-hmm. 7:55 Speaking of, so there's a great, there's a great article on Clone right now that I, I really like the premise of it, that was like podcast as scene building. Hm. Oh. 8:02 And I think that that's been really true in my experience. Like, it's so nice to have a podcast that feels like it has an extended universe, where it's like I hear, like if people meet each other. Mm-hmm. 8:16 So, like when Danny finally got coffee with Reggie- Yes... or like... You know what I mean? Like, so- Yeah... 8:21 there was a recent, um, what felt like, uh, a my- a dirt, or a Tasteland, sorry, extended universe moment this morning because, um, Chris Black- Mm... 8:32 of How Long Gone, which is a podcast that I listen to the archives of- Hm... uh, wrote something for The Fence, which is- Oh. Oh, wow... a British magazine, uh, led by our friend Charlie Baker, who was on the podcast. 8:45 And so it was a very nice, uh, I think, and long overdue joint slay. I love that. [laughs] Um, I was pretty excited to see that. I really love that. I've not read it yet. I love 8:56 the extended universe of any sort of media property. Mm-hmm. Yeah, talk about the Boys Club extended universe. Oh, oh my gosh, okay, great. 9:03 I mean, I was gonna talk about, um, I, I, I can definitely do that, but Ride, [laughs] I'm not sponsored by them. 9:11 But they have like a Reddit, and they're s- very self-referential, which I think we should maybe also, like explore a little bit, is how sefer- self-referential media properties should or can be. Mm-hmm. 9:23 And I do think what's required in that is that they're... There's like this Reddit that's like very active, that listeners will, like build on inside jokes and say all the stuff, and then they read it, and then they... 9:37 And it becomes sort of like this cycle of like there's stuff that's happening on the internet around this. 9:41 And it's just like big enough that it's not the same people, and it's pretty, like consistent in terms of activity, but it's still very... It's so niche still that you feel like you're in it. Like there's... 9:56 The paraso- The level of parasocial relationship to these people is so high- Mm-hmm... because they don't feel like full-blown celebrities. Celebrities, yeah. That's such a good point. 10:05 And I have a lot of fun, like exploring those little corners of the internet. Um, okay, so the extended universe of Boys Club, the media property- Who's in the club? Who's in the club? 10:16 Anybody who feels they are in the club, and you're not an asshole, you're in the club. So- Quasi Matt. Oh, Quasi Matt's in the club. [laughs] Oh my gosh, I'm so obsessed with his takes. 10:26 Um, yeah, I mean, we're having a lot of fun at Boys Club right now. We started the live show. We finished like the first season of doing the live show. 10:34 We did about 30 episodes live, and they were primarily in person- Mm... which was really fun. And so we've been see- And it's been really successful. There's been a lot of traction around it. 10:46 I think there's something about the... There's like a broader trend of, like I hate to say it, but like humanity, that people are sort of like craving in their media diets. And I think something about being in person 11:00 feels, gives that sense of like a relational moment, even if you as the listener are not in the room with those people. Um, there's a different feel to it. I also think we were thinking a lot about like, okay, 11:14 there's a lot of live shows happening on the timeline. These shows are like blowing up. They are very, um- Oh, who could you be talking about? I, I have no idea, but [laughs] there's- Two boys, one tall, one short. 11:27 Two boys. [laughs] Two boys, one cup. [laughs] Um, and they are, you know, having success on the timeline, which, you know, you love to see if, uh, what feels sort of different and fresh taking off. 11:39 But so much of it obviously is baked in, like sports culture and- Mm-hmm... the way that, I don't know, Red Zone or something would show up. 11:47 And- Oh, well, I also think like prediction markets are kind of the final stage of like-Uh, industry category collapse. Mm. Mm. Like, to me, like, the moment Art Basel sort of flipped to being for, like, tech people... 12:01 Well, first it was fashion people. It was art people first. Mm-hmm. Then it became a fashion event. Yeah. Then it became a tech event. Put a fork in it. Dead. It's done. Cooked. 12:08 [laughs] Now that you can predict, you can place bets on every aspect of culture on the same platforms, it's over. And you know tech people, they wanna be experts in everything. Yeah. Like, it's never enough. Mm. 12:22 Like- This- Okay... this reminds me, so I didn't watch the Golden Globes- Mm-hmm... but I saw that they had, I, I believe it's a Polymarket ticker. Yeah, yeah. 12:29 Um, and you could, you know, they were encouraging you- Not popular. They're enc- Not popular. [laughs] Yeah, they were encouraging people to, to predict who's it gonna- [laughs]... who's gonna win. Yeah. 12:35 But then yeah, people didn't like it because it was just so obvious, and it was okay, well, that is probably the person who's gonna win. 12:40 And I don't know how many of them were wrong versus right, but my understanding is that- 26 out of the 28 were correct. 26 out of the 28 were correct? Yeah. Yeah. It's so uninteresting. Yeah. 12:49 So, um, man, I have so many thoughts about the Polymarket Golden Globes collab. But I saw a tweet that was like, best, uh, it was like a screenshot of Best Podcast. Mm-hmm. 13:00 And it was like the predictions of Best Podcast bought to you by Polymarket. And someone was like, "This is, like, end sta- Like, we're, this is the end of the world." 13:07 Like, [laughs] we've hit- Golden Globes Best Podcast- We've hit the end [laughs]... brought to you by Polymarket. 13:11 [laughs] Um, and I felt, I've never felt like more of a loser than watching the Golden Globes with all of my friends who don't, obviously, work in crypto. Mm-hmm. And being like, "Oh my God, Polymarket? 13:20 It actually says Polymarket?" [laughs] And they're like, "Like, calm down." And I was like, "Totally, that's so uncool of me to be excited about this." 13:28 Um, and then the timeline was just so upset about it, and I was like- Mm... "Okay, wow, people are not enthusiastic about this." Well- And I think you're right. Yeah. It, like, reveals an obviousness. 13:39 It takes some of the fun out of being right if you're watching that all these other people- You have to hit parlays. Like, you gotta introduce parlays at some- Mm... at some point 'cause it's too easy mode. 13:49 I, there was actually a great, um, article in The Verge. It was this like podcasting is dead, or like we don't have a use for this word anymore, and I think that's really smart. 13:57 Like, what we're calling podcasts, like, what Amy Poehler, Amy Poehler won the category- Yeah... by the way. Like, what she's doing is not podcasting, it's streaming. Like, it's- Yeah, yeah. Mm. Podcast is just, uh, 14:08 it had its mo- Like, S Town was a podcast [laughs] you know what I mean? This American Life is a podcast. 14:13 Like- Well, this, to me too, the, the big thing, I mean, obviously with Creator Spotlight, one of my big things is, well, what is a creator and trying to figure that out. Mm. 14:19 But one interesting version of this the other day was I saw that Fox is launching some creator network, and they're tapping, like, Gordon Ramsay to be, like, the lead creator. Okay. And what does that mean? 14:30 That just means, like- And, well, here, Gordon Ramsay- What's he doing as a creator?... individual media, m- media personality, right? Yeah. Like, that's all that word means. Totally. 14:36 And in that same way, like, all podcast means is a, a recorded thing, piece of media- Mm... that's maybe audio and video, but the audio is the most important component- Mm... and you can watch it later. Mm-hmm. 14:50 You can download it to your phone. Mm-hmm. Like, that's all that is now, right? Yeah. I mean- Totally... a hot dog is a sandwich, a celebrity is my friend. Yeah. A podcast is video. [laughs] Well, that's true. Mm-hmm. 15:00 All businesses is bundling and unbundling. [laughs] And that's what we're seeing here. Um, I do, I total- I, I agree. I think that when, 15:10 w- sort of coming back to, like, the Boys' Club livestream of it all, like, one of the things that we were really thinking about is, like, okay, I'm really... 15:17 I don't feel personally moved by something that is referencing, uh, SportsCenter. Like, that's not my visual home. Mm. Like, where I live is, like, um, clips from- The Metaverse. Oh, exactly. Yep. 15:32 [laughs] I'm there, uh, Decentraland. Um, oh my gosh, [laughs] not to call them out directly, but, you know. Um, I... No, like, my visual world is sort of, like, I don't know, watch what happens live. Mm. 15:44 Like, a s- talk show, something that feels like... Or a late night show or something like that. Like, that's, I think if I'm looking at, like, what's... Or, or Good Morning America even. Mm. 15:55 Like, something that fits, I think the- The view. David Letterman for girls. The view. [laughs] Exactly. Um, I hate to say that, but, like, I kind of, that, I'm, like, being honest. 16:06 Like, if that's what, if what SportsCenter is to, I don't know, the finance bro in, in Downtown Manhattan, like, Watch What Happens Live is what- The St. Mark's finance bro. Exactly, exactly. 16:19 [laughs] So that's what we were kinda trying to get at with the livestream in the way that it, like, looks and feels and the cutdowns and stuff like that. And I feel like that, I feel like that's working. 16:29 I think that there's a lot of work to be done for us, like as a critic of my own work, of, like, getting the fidelity to a place that I feel like is competitive to what 16:40 ne- what is required, I think, of media properties these days. 16:44 Um, and yeah, anyway, so that's been really fun as, like, a property, but thinking a lot about, like, what does it look like on the timeline and what, how does it represent a callback to other things that I think people who are in the Boys' Club world are used to seeing, and, but wanna, want the information to be about tech and, uh, innovation and a positive view on sort of some of the stuff that is really quite negative usually on the timeline. 17:15 That's really cool. What other changes have happened since you guys were on the podcast last? Um, [sighs] we're thinking a lot about a, a network, Boys' Club network. Mm. And we've talked about this for years. 17:26 Like, a lot of the media thus far, at least video media, has been Dina, myself, and Kate. And that's fun and fine, but not, I think, the world that we want to grow into. I think that there's, like, a, a... 17:40 That feels fragile and feels like there's a real ceiling if that's the only sort of video first content that's coming out is the three of us. 17:48 Um, not only because we're only three individuals, but just a limited perspective and worldview- Yeah... and ideas and, um- It doesn't scale. It doesn't scale, totally. 17:58 So we're thinking a lot about different show formats, and, um-What that can be for us where there are 18:07 interests and energy that are happening in group chats in the Boys' Club world that we can pull people into and educate in a way that is aligned with their interests. Um, so we're talking... 18:19 We have, like, three shows right now that we're th- we're t- we're trying to get off the ground and pilot, um, in the coming quarter, and very, very different sort of formats than what we've been up to in the past. 18:29 Um, much shorter form, 10-minute to, like, 12-minute type beat. Um, also, like, very much different look and feel, so, like, some is just, like, Dave Ramsey style, [laughs] one man to the camera. 18:45 Um, others are, like, an, uh, think, like, Into the Gloss but for, like, tech stuff. 18:51 Uh, we're thinking a lot about peptides and wellness and, like, the future of wellness and, um, how we talk about that and where people are interested in being educated in that way. 19:02 That feels, like, really sticky because a lot of what's actually happening, happening that's extremely innovative is, like, a gray area legally. Mm-hmm. 19:12 And, um, thinking about how we talk about that and what's the line between, like, endorsing and recommending and just telling people what other people are experimenting on their own bodies. 19:23 So, yeah, we're thinking a lot about, like, tho- that sort of creator network is what we are really... I'm feeling really energized by, and seeing new faces and new formats on the Boys' Club channels 19:34 feels like the natural next step. I mean, we've been doing Boys' Club for four years, which is, feels crazy and- It's been okay... feels like a long time. Mm-hmm. It, yeah, it has felt that way. 19:43 [laughs] Um, but wanting to, like, continue to have fun and experiment but within, sort of, with a bit less naivete around maybe what works and what people are interested in actually hearing about. 19:56 Boys' Club will never put out a vagina candle, but they might put out- [laughs]... a syringe that says Boys' Club on it. [laughs] They might put out a branded syringe. Really on brand. 20:04 What's, what's gonna come in the syringe? What comes- Twile darling. Oh. Um- Okay. Uh, just some peptides. Just some Chinese peptides. Wolverine stack, something I'm hearing a lot about these days. Um- Wolverine stack. 20:13 That's a new one to me. Yeah, it's, it's pretty crazy once you get into it what people are doing. Can we put out, like, um, temp tattoos that just say peptide in Chinese? Oh, fun. Oh my gosh, tramp stamp? Yes. Peptide? 20:25 That would be pretty hot. I love that. Um- This is all reminding me that I, um, added protein to my list of muted words on Twitter last year. Oh, you're a genius. Well, fiber, fiber should be next. 20:35 Last year, oh my God, a man ahead of his time. Mm-hmm. Fiber should be next? Yeah. Fiber should be- Mute it. Mute it proactively... I, I was reminded of this when I saw discourse about the David brand on- Uh-huh... 20:43 on the timeline earlier. Dude- Which I just don't, I just don't care... never, ever in your life send me a flesh-colored sex toy. Okay, a few thoughts. They did that? They did that. They did a press box. Not to me. 20:55 That... Not to m- Not to me... me either. I saw this, um, somewhere on the timeline. Um, it was a press box that had a David bar- Mm... 21:01 and then a sex toy, and it was, like, finished twice or something, like, insinuating that their [laughs] protein bar is that good, which I can- First or second finish. That was not- [laughs]... stipulated. 21:13 The order was not stipulated. [laughs] I'm just like, they made it- No... like beige, and I'm just like, "That's an abomination." Like, everyone knows sex toys are supposed to be purple and, like- Oh my gosh. 21:24 [laughs] That is the mind. That's the color in my mind. Only a truly, only a truly godless person- [laughs]... would send you a vibrating dildo that is, like, the color of skin. It's- Like- Well, it's Mod. 21:32 It was, like, a partnership with that- Mm... sex toy company. Sorry. So they're, they're the ones to blame, just to, to- It looked like a s- a Yeezy stem player. Direct to consumer matryoshka. Okay. Call to action. 21:42 To be, like, contrarian, I didn't, like, absolutely hate it. Like, I was like, "This is weird." And, like, the concept of that press box. Yeah. And, like, I don't want it, and I don't want to see that. 21:56 Do you think that they sent it to men? I know they did- Oh... because the, the way I found out about it was Or- Oran John, I think- Mm-hmm... 22:03 on his Instagram, I saw him post, it was some picture of part of it, and then he had also written, like, "I, I'm not going to post the other thing that came with this because it's not, because I have children," or something like that. 22:16 So they did- Okay... so he's one man that they did send it to. Okay. Confirmed. Cool. I don't know. Daisy, like, center female pleasure. I don't know what you're trying to do, but... 22:24 [laughs] No, they're centered their own protein bar. They're not centering- Totally... female pleasure. No, totally. Um, anyway, they... 22:31 I have a friend who actually was talking to them about being their creative director, and I sent it to her, and I was like, "Hey, they might, they might actually need you. [laughs] You might wanna answer that email." 22:41 Um, anyway, you've muted protein. I've muted protein, yeah. Okay. And maybe fiber's next. You know, look, I, I'll do my little exercises, but I'm- [laughs]... I'm not like a macros guy. 22:51 I just don't, I just don't need to see- Totally... a, you know, a breakdown- I respect that... of protein. I... I'll, I'll expose my full, um, muted words list another time. 22:59 I, I might have done it once before on this podcast. Okay. Uh, wait, no, I think we should all do that. Oh, yeah? I have, I have a- Yeah... really hot take on Twitter, and this is, like, maybe shows that I'm a masochist. 23:09 Hmm. I don't block, m- mute anyone or mute any words. Yeah, you- I'm just like-... need to. I'm sorry. See, I was talking in the intro how I deleted it from my phone, uh, for- Me too... for, like, January situ- Oh, okay. 23:20 Well, so, okay. Yes. So you're not a pure... You're not, like, a full Twitter maximalist. Uh, uh, I, um, no, I think it's like, you know people have a problem with something when they have to, like- Hmm... remove it. 23:31 I do know I have a problem. [laughs] Let's... Yeah. And so that was what it was, is I was like, "This is..." 23:36 I deleted all social media off of my phone starting January 1, and I feel like really the last maybe 24 hours is the first time that I have felt- Wow... good about it. Like, it's been hard. Like, I'm like- Mm... 23:49 a full, like, withdrawal. I'm like, this, this device actually has no meaning to me now without Twitter on it, which is sad. Okay, Daisy, hit me with a muted word. I saw that face. It's actually, it's pretty demure. 24:04 There's only five of them. Oh, that's respectable. BTS.Okay It was that because of behind the scenes or because of the, the K-pop group? Great question. I do believe the K-pop group. Oh, really? Wow, okay. Joe Biden. 24:17 [laughs] Okay. Succession. Well, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. Okay. What year, when, uh, what, what year or what month did he meet Joe Biden? [laughs] Yeah, yeah, great clarifying question. Oh, a long time. 24:29 I think he was still president. We get it, Joe. [laughs] Well, of course. You don't really hear about him so much these days. Um, no. Succession. Wait, wait. D- were you a Succession watcher or no? Yes. 24:40 Okay, you just didn't wanna hear about it anymore. I just didn't wanna hear about it anymore. Okay, fair. Rent. Rent the musical or rent the thing you pay every month? Rent the thing you pay every month. Okay. 24:48 But you, and you did this after you moved out of New York City. Mm. I think so, yeah. You didn't wanna hear about it anymore. You were just like, "I don't wanna hear about it anymore." And during the mayoral campaign. 24:56 Freeze the rent, I don't wanna hear about it. I'm, doesn't apply to me. [laughs] And then- None of my business. [laughs] McCain. [laughs] McCain? Oh my gosh, wow, it's really poli- quite political. Mm-hmm. 25:05 I know, and I haven't, like, like I, you could tell I haven't muted anything in a while because, like- Yeah... what, what would this be doing for me at this moment? They feel pretty dated. Yeah. 25:12 The muted words feel dated. [sighs] It's a good step. I've got some myself. So, all right, Francis, let's hear them. Okay. So I'll start from, from most, from oldest- Okay... longest ago that I muted it to most recent. 25:22 So renaissance painting. [laughs] Okay. Got tired of seeing photos r- just come up with a more interesting way to describe a photo, you know? Okay. Mm-hmm. Founder mode. Ooh, a good one. 25:30 I, I read the thing and then it just was- Good one... like a week or two after it came out I was like, "I just don't need to, this discourse does not need to cross my desk." Totally. Cracked. Ooh, gosh. 25:39 Again, use a better word. Use a better word. I haven't heard that word in really long time. Well, maybe you muted it too. Yeah. Maybe. I just got tired of... Yeah. Yeah. Fair. I just got tired of it. Fair. 25:48 Uh, bingo card. Okay. You didn't, you didn't write a bingo card. You didn't write a bingo card. Nothing's on your bingo card. No. Yeah. Labubu. Totally. Again, don't need to hear it. And finally, croakies. 25:56 I can tell that you did that with a lot of hate in your heart. [laughs] Uh, my heart is full of hate. There is no joie de vivre. It's love only. There's no joie de vivre. It's only love. It's only love. 26:04 Um- [laughs] I s- no, th- I saw this, um, Instagram Reel the other day of this, this delightful German teen, big grin on his face, he's just trying on clothes in the department store, and I sent it to my friends. 26:15 I said, "Me." And my friend said, "That's not you. You don't have that joie de vivre." [laughs] This guy's smiling. You have no joie de vivre. [laughs] Oh my gosh, did you tell him they have no joie de vivre? Yeah. 26:25 That is really bread developed. Um, yeah, I think I'm always tempted, and this is, uh, like truly only love. Love only here, but every time there's Sydney Sweeney discourse on the timeline- Oh, mm-hmm... 26:40 I just like, I genuinely am just like, I d- I can't do another cycle. Like I cannot do it. It's just too much on either side. I would agree. Both sides of the aisle, men, women, like everyone. 26:54 I'm just like, I don't need to hear about your thoughts about this woman. Mm-hmm. And that's the only time that I've been like really genuinely like moments away from going in- Oh... and just being like mute. 27:05 But I've never done it 'cause I just feel like I want a pure experience of- Mm-hmm... this place, dumpster fire, that I spend a lot of time on the internet. 27:14 No, sh- you're not cutting your pep, ties with anything else, Georgie. [laughs] Put it in my name. Francis, what, what, what, finish your list. That was my list. Oh, labubu was the last one. Protein. Protein. 27:23 Protein was the most recent. No, no, protein. Yeah, yeah. Protein, okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, I feel we'll talk the next time I'm on this podcast and you will have muted fiber. I will. [laughs] I'm sorry, Francis. 27:31 The thing is I think I am more susceptible to the fiber propaganda because here's the thing, like apparently colon cancer- Mm... and stuff is going up in young people. 27:41 It's 'cause like everyone's, you know, constipated and the microplastics are just chilling in there. Okay. And so you have to eat- It's a microplastic thing... the fiber to just move the microplastics along. 27:50 You know what I mean? Look, I, I've said this on the podcast before. I eat a bowl of muesli for breakfast every day. Okay. Simple. You're getting your fiber. 27:57 Fiber in- That's not something somebody with joie de vivre would do, Francis. [laughs] Yeah, yeah, okay. Look, I would rather get colon cancer than live a joyless life, but I don't think I should have to choose. 28:07 [laughs] I don't think you have to choose in 2026. I don't think you have to choose. Muesli is delicious, by the way. [laughs] I actually don't even think, I, I don't even really know what it is. 28:16 It's like a, a, a- It's, it's just, it's just-... oatmeal-... slightly processed oats... option? Oats and grains. It's something a horse would eat. If you could just picture- Okay... 28:20 a horse in your head, and then- You-... what, what is it eating? That's muesli. Okay. 28:24 And the mues- actually the mues- the particular box, this is here, this will show my hypocrisy, the particular box of muesli I buy, I believe the brand is Familia, maybe it's Famiglia. I think it's Familia. Okay. 28:33 'Cause it's Swiss, it's not Italian. But they have, I don't know, five or six different versions, different, you know, colored boxes at my local supermarket, and I do buy the one that has more protein, so. There you go. 28:45 You've fallen into the propaganda. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I, I, look, I, and for, I'll say for lunch in my sandwich was feta cheese, was avocado, was chicken thigh. I eat my protein. Yes. 28:56 I just don't need to hear about other people eating their protein. You ate that- And I know I'm talking about it right here, but... before this podcast? What? You had that today before this podcast? 29:04 I had, I had it about an hour before this podcast. That sounds really good. I'm happy for you. I eat an early lunch. Wow, I'm- Mm-hmm... I'm really happy for you. You, um, I've had a Ryvita cracker, so I'm like, wow. 29:14 Okay. We've had muesli, we've had a sandwich. Um, I know what I'm doing right after this podcast. Okay, wait, let's, let's, let's bring this back to some current events. Okay. Um, I have not read this article. 29:21 I, I- What about this isn't current to you? [laughs] This, I mean, my lunch is- This is an evolving situation... could not be more current. It is about the most current event. I wanna hear about the Eric Adams rug pull. 29:30 Oh, okay. Are we up on this? Well, okay, this is the thing though. Somebody pointed this out and I realized that this is true. He didn't rug pull. 29:37 He launched his token and he pulled $3 million of liquidity out immediately- Mm... but he only did it because he solved antisemitism. This- Exactly. Exactly... this was his project to solve antisemitism in crypto, right? 29:48 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he's a victim of his own success. [laughs] Mm-hmm. Basically- He solved it... antisemitism was solved immediately and now- Correct... 29:54 $3 million goes back into the coffers of Eric Adams, who will use it to travel the world with his gynecologist. Like, I just think that's beautiful. What? That's gorgeous. Um, yeah. I think- Oh, wait. What? 30:04 Natasha, sorry. I'm just getting something on my earpiece. [laughs] Um, right before this podcast you, you sent me a mysterious phrase. Um- Oh, yeah... you texted me the phrase, "Sent b- St. Barts chlamydia."Uh-huh. 30:17 Um- I'm shocked you haven't seen this... and I think what I'm hearing- Uh-huh... is that you're going to explain now what the fuck that means. [laughs] I am. I am. I do. I have a lot of thoughts on Eric Adams. 30:28 Um, personally I find him to be... I, I tweeted, like, the day that everyone, the mayoral, uh, voting- The day the music died [laughs]. The day the music died, exactly. 30:39 And I was like, "I'm voting for him," and then it, like, hearts Eric Adams. Um, I find him just so entertaining. Mm-hmm. Like, he is a specific type of stupid that is unbelievable to witness. 30:54 There's a shamelessness to the way that that man moves through the world that, like, I, I can't ever understand. Like, it doesn't compute to me. You know, young hoes cook everything on high. Exactly. 31:04 Old hoes, they cook everything on Eric Adams. [laughs] And my deepest wish for him is that he becomes the next host of The Bachelor. Oh my gosh, that would be s- Why can't he be on The Golden Bachelor? 31:16 Mm, that's a great idea. Well, you're asking the right questions. Totally. Anyway, um, yeah, Major Rug Pull, the ticker's NYC. Um, okay. So I have a meme in my head- Mm... 31:27 and I pitched it to the girls, the boys yesterday- [laughs]... and they said, "Too much cognitive load." Mm. But I still think it, there's something to it. 31:34 [laughs] Do you know, you know the, um, domino effects, like- Like when you push a domino and then the o- other things fall? The meme of it where there's like- Yeah, yeah. Of course... a guy who's... 31:44 There's life-sized dominoes. Of course. Yes. This one little thing happens, and then suddenly this big thing happens, and it's this chain of events. Yes, or this big thing happens, and this very little thing- Mm. Mm... 31:51 then is a result. And that is what we have here. The first domino is Donald Trump invading Venezuela, and the final domino is Tom Brady getting chlamydia. [laughs] And those things happened. 32:04 There is a direct line between why those things have happened. Okay. So basically- This all happened in the spif, about a week. It's happened qu- very quickly. Mm. So it starts with, there is a Caribbean-wide flight 32:20 delays. Mm, mm-hmm. Um, basically all flights out of the Caribbean have to be, uh, landed because of the- On account of war crimes... ex- right [laughs]. 'Cause of the war crimes. And the invasion of Venezuela happens. 32:32 All the, all of these people- Well, it wasn't technically an invasion, or Polymarket would've paid all those people out. Ugh. I'm sorry. You're right. [laughs] Whatever you wanna call it. 32:39 So then- I gotta defer to our, our source of truth here, which is [laughs] Polymarket. Polymarket, totally. Um- It's the protocol, guys. It's the protocol [laughs] You can't argue with it. 32:47 [laughs] Um, and all of these people, all these, all the rich and famous are in St. Barts- Yeah... during the- Yeah... new year, essentially. 32:56 That's the most expensive, essentially, place to be in the world- They're in Tubar... between the 24th and the 1st. Yeah. And they're all there. All of their flights get canceled, landed, grounded. They're stuck. Mm. 33:09 And so for about a week, there's, like, varying degrees of people being able to get out of St. Barts because of the- Why wouldn't you just sail your yacht out? Some did. Some did. Some couldn't. Some did. Some did. 33:19 And I also think some people were like, "Oh, yeah, I'm stuck here," and they're just using it as an excuse to have, like- Right... to stay in St. Barts. Some give all- Yeah... all give some. Exactly. Calm down- Then-... 33:29 Underground Railroad. [laughs] S- what starts to come out, and of course the first to it, is Bethenny Frankel, as we all know and love her. She- She's always going through something... 33:39 she's always going through something, and honestly, she's, she lives life out loud, and she's- Yeah... gonna broadcast it. Mm. Yeah. And she's like, "What's this rash on my face? Like, I've been in St. Barts." Mm. 33:52 Like, "What do people think this is?" And the comments start blowing up, and they're like, "Girl, that's chlamydia." Mm. Like, "You have chlamydia." And then all of these other- Tough... 34:00 it becomes clear that all these other celebrities had it, and basically there was, like, a massive outbreak in the island of St. Barts of chlamydia. Mm. And so that's what's happened. 34:09 So Alex Rodriguez definitely has it if Tom Brady has it, right? Totally. Totally. Uh, 'cause they're, they're a little, an item, huh? They are an item. I did see the video. I saw the footage, roll the footage. 34:18 It was a pretty sensual back tap. Oh, I felt it was a PR back rub. Mm. I was like, "That's a PR... This has been rehearsed." Mm. It was, like, mid, and it was lingered long enough for someone to get the shot. Mm. Mm. 34:32 So I think someone's testing it. I will say, um, I went to dinner with a friend- Testing the waters. I hope they're also testing themselves. Exactly [laughs]. Exactly. Um, this is a total aside, but like- Gisele up 100. 34:45 Oh my gosh, for sure. She's a- she's having a baby, right? Mm-hmm. Anyway. Yeah. Yes. I'm happy for her. With her- My close personal friend... kung fu instructor turned husband. Jiu-jitsu I believe, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. 34:55 Celebrities are your friends. It's true. It's extremely true. Um, speaking of, I went to dinner with a friend last week, and she shows up, and she's like... We're having a martini. 35:05 We're having a great time, and she was like, "Oh my gosh, Natasha." And I was like, "Yes?" And she was like, "I've been meaning to tell you, I have the perfect guy for you." And I was like, "Oh, fun." It's Tom Brady. 35:16 [laughs] Literally. Literally. She was like, she was like... And I was like, "Oh," like, "Who?" And she was like, "Tom Brady." And I was like, "First of all, what, what are you talking about?" 35:25 [laughs] 'Cause d- levels of delusion I can't even begin to describe. And two, what? N- no. Like, no, thanks. The man, like, eats solely zucchini, I think, is the thing. He's not an intellectual, Natasha. He's not. 35:36 No, [laughs] exactly. Did you, do you guys know my new bit? I might've told Francis about this. Like, you, I meet somebody's dog, and I'll just, like, after I'll be like, "You know, he's cute. 35:43 He's just not int- intellectual." [laughs] It's like the dog that was fucking barking in the coffee shop earlier. Um, on a bit of a reality TV tip, there was a thread there I wanted to pick up. Uh-huh. 35:53 I, so I did not watch, of, of this weekend's new crop of television, I did not watch Industry. Probably will have seen it by the next time we record, Daisy. Okay. But I did watch- It's like that Chinese red sauce for me. 36:04 Like, I can't have it. I get too excited, and- [laughs]... I'm a threat to myself and others. Being spitted in the eye with sauce? So let's just save it. Yeah. I, so, but I did watch, I watched The Traitors. Okay. 36:13 And I was appalled upon a few minutes in to discover on my television set- Michael Rapaport... Michael Rapaport. [laughs] What is he doing there? Wait, who is he? 36:23 Look, Durando will take him out, like- Wait, I don't know who that is. He's, he's the most- I know the embarrassing but-... bitter man on the planetOkay. What's his thing? 36:32 Former, so former actor, currently most known for- He's a, he's a Zionist... massive Zionist. He's a, he's a, oh, really? Hates Zaran Damani. Okay. Just a really bitter... 36:41 And he's got that like New Yorker loudmouth energy. Oh. You know him. Wait, I think I know... Yes, I do know him. I do know him. He just- He's kinda- He just has a perennial, like, his face looks like this. 36:50 Yes, bad vibes. Bad vibes. At all times. You know how- So bitter... Tyler Joe's has been doing a huge push around the, um, the, the can of Colonel Corn? Wow, I haven't. Oh, actually yeah, I have. Yeah. The, the like... 36:59 yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's like, he's kind of like that. Mm, okay. He's a, he's a can of Colonel Corn. Personified. Um, but luckily here's the thing, here's the thing. 37:06 The producers of The Traitors are smart enough to put him on there with, um, his natural born predator, Dorinda Medley. [laughs] And I have to believe that nature will take its course. 37:19 Um, I've yet to watch a season of The Traitors. I have heard great things. People love it. Spoiler alert, Dorinda is already off the show. Stop. Again? Oh. Yeah. Ugh, how long did she last? 37:31 I, I'm, I- Seems like night one... I'm, I think she was out the first night, yeah. Why would you not... It's reality TV, why would you not rig it for her to be on there the whole season? Like, she is, 37:40 every soundbite she creates is like the best soundbite of all time. We, well we've still got Lisa Rinna. Nice. Uh, there's some others. I saw her one time at a Vacheron watch event. Mm-hmm. 37:51 We made eye contact and she smiled at me, and I think that she knew that I'm also from Massachusetts. Yeah. I felt like she looked into my soul, and real recognized real. There was a connection. Mm. Yeah. 37:59 You guys were like, "Let's meet at Duncan." Also, like- Yeah... one of my friends, my friend is her makeup artist. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So we're one- She's like, she's like a good person. 38:08 John- Oh, we love to hear that... she is like what she seems like. Mm, mm-mm. Okay. Yeah. Nice. Nice, you love to hear that. Yeah. Um, okay. You haven't, neither of you have watched Industry? No, I've not watched it yet. 38:18 Guys, what are you doing? I did watch The Pit. No, I'm serious. Like, Natasha, like I know it sounds like I'm making a joke. Like, I got so excited- No... that I actually like- I can see it... 38:27 psyched myself out from watching it. I think you should watch it again. I think you should, but I think you should binge it. I think- Mm... you can't have that, like that level of, I don't know, cortisol. 38:38 I don't even know what it is- [laughs]... that's like coursing through your veins. Well, I've seen, I've seen obviously Industry up until this point, I just haven't watched the episode from these seasons. 38:44 Yeah, of course. Yeah. I just think you should wait till the... If you can avoid spoilers, you should wait like five episodes until you binge it. But you, you won't be able to. You won't be able to. 38:49 I mean, I could probably get screeners if I wanted to. Well, there you go. It's a possibility. I have been, I, I did message a little bit with, with Mickey. 38:58 But I'm being, I was really demure about the fact that I have his, his number, 'cause I think- Mm... he's trying to be respectful. Well, now you're, you're telling, you're telling everybody on the pod that you have it. 39:06 Um... Podcasts are about name-dropping, aren't they? There, there it is. [laughs] Well, I mean, I, I, so I haven't read it yet. I assume this is what, um, Chris Black's essay for The Fence is about. Mm. 39:18 All of his friends being celebrities. Like- Mm... I feel like the first rule of ending up in a sort of like social, um, scene where some people are like famous famous is like you can't be a dick rider. No. 39:31 You know what I mean? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Totally. Okay. I see it's... What, Chris Black explores the rules that bind the famous and the non-famous together. We're not, but we're not, we're not gonna do this. 39:41 He was on Charlie's wedding. We're, okay, we're not gonna, we're not gonna talk about another podcast on this podcast- [gasps]... when we already have another podcast. [laughs] There's too much podcast. 39:49 That's a, no, you just made that rule up on the spot. [laughs] I guess, I mean, I guess 20% of podcasting- This is like playing cards with a four-year-old... is talking about other podcasting. What? Come on. 40:00 I, I feel like, um- Natasha knows... we need a new word for it. We need a new word for, for podcasting. Podcest. It's like streaming. What? Whoa. Calling, calling your friends. 40:09 I thought you meant like talking about podcasts on podcasts. I was gonna say podcest. Oh, oh, that's good. That's good. That's a good name for it. That's how you get chlamydia. That's why you get chlamydia. 40:18 Oh, call a friend. Well, luckily for Timothee Chalamet, like he's having a great week. Chlamydia is no longer- With his partner?... chlamydia associated with another high-profile man. Great for Timothee Chalamet. 40:26 Huge for him. I forgot, mm-hmm. And he got a Golden Globe. Yeah, he's had a really good week. He's had a really good week. I'm happy for him. I think that Marty Supreme was great. 40:34 I'm gonna- I don't have any, much else to say... I think I'm gonna see it again in a couple weeks. They're playing it at John Wilson's Repertory Cinema- Okay... here in the neighborhood. 40:42 And I think I'm gonna go back and see it there. I saw it just the one time. For me, still, like the lingering... M- the, my favorite part, my, 40:50 the most ecstatic part of the movie for me was when they're, they're in the background and you hear the first couple notes. In the very beginning you hear the first couple notes of Forever Young. Mm. 40:58 And then you just, and then there's like a five to 10-second delay maybe until they play more of it, and you're thinking, "Is that Forever Young, or are they just using those notes?" 41:08 And then it, and then you hear it again and you're like, I'm like a dog and my tail's turning away. [laughs] That was the best part of the movie for you? That was... 41:16 Well, okay, may- maybe not the best part, but- It was a highlight. It was a highlight... that was my emotional high. The, the first third of the movie is the best part of the movie. Until he gets back- Mm... 41:23 to America, it's perfect. I'm loving it. Another great part is when he's being interviewed in the hotel in Paris and he first sees Gwyneth Paltrow and he's doing the thing where he like slumps in his chair. Yeah. 41:31 And that's amazing. I did think that the wheels loosened a little bit when he, when the plan landed, plane landed back in America. Mm. And they continued- Good metaphor... 41:39 to loosen a bit, but I, I, that first third was fantastic for me. Um, okay. I want to get your guys' take on, what do you think of the RayBan Meta glasses? Trash. Mm. Trash? Look- Well-... I'm gonna, I'm gonna disagree. 41:54 I've actually been in- I'm just never gonna wear a smart glass. I don't know. I'm never gonna wear it myself, but- Okay... 41:58 as a, uh, as, as a consumer of Instagram Reels, I've seen content that I enjoyed that was filmed by them. Okay. 42:05 I think the public surveillance aspect is horrible, and probably they shouldn't exist, and, you know, there sh- or in the way that they exist there should be a big, bright light, which I think there is a light, um, but I know- Yeah... 42:16 I've read in 404 Media that it's not that hard to disable. Uh, but- Oh, really?... I, like, the footage I've seen that they produce entertains me, which is a very base way of looking at it. So like- Mm... 42:30 ideologically, fraud. Okay, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff out there that- But it's fun... isn't. Does your January extend to Reels, Francis?No. Uh, no. 42:37 Um- Okay, so you gave up Twitter 'cause you knew if you had to give up Reels, you would die. Well, no, it's... So, Natasha, before you jumped on, I was saying I ordered a brick, which should arrive today. Yep. 42:46 So I'm, I'm really leaning into it. Mm-hmm. But I... Th- the... So I, I really need to get off of Reels. I am addicted to Reels. But- Okay... my- Wow, that's, like, the most... Like, there's a- Embarrassingly American... 42:57 there's a millennial honesty to that, that I'm actually, like, shocked. It's, it's dark. It's dark. I'm shocked that someone would come out- The Lumineers started playing when you said that. 43:04 [laughs] Took a bus to Church. Outstanding on. [laughs] Oh, my God. That's so funny. Uh, no. No, no, Bastille. Pompeii by Bastille started playing. [laughs] I... No, I, I... It's my, my DMs and group chats. 43:17 It's a, it's a- Yeah... you know, it's a social app for me. But- Yeah... I, I do spend way too much time on Reels. 43:22 Before, in December, I had the, the Apple, the iPhone's native screen time limitation on, but then it stopped working for some reason, and it was, it was great. I was... 43:31 Even if I, like, clicked like, "Give me 15 more minutes," as you can do, I was spending less time. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I just, I, I think I need to limit Instagram to, like, half an hour a day. Mm-hmm. 43:41 Maybe two hours [laughs] on weekends. Francis has Savannah syndrome. I could- Having a Reels addiction. [laughs] What was... No, Daisy. What? What was that tweet you sent me? Oh, yes. It was like, that was a good tweet. 43:52 [laughs] I was thinking about that just now. Hold on. Um, yesterday at 9:36 PM, I sent Francis a tweet that says, "The way people are hooked on Reels, this is something Fisher warned us about." 44:02 [laughs] I was actually reading some Mark Fisher- So good... before I saw this tweet, so. Oh, my gosh. It's a banger. As one does. That's really funny. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's really funny. Um, okay, any other New Year's... 44:14 Like, I don't love the idea of resolutions, but, like- I bought a kettlebell. Cool. Yeah. Protein, kettlebell. Protein, kettlebell. [laughs] Gang's all here. [laughs] Gang's all here. Uh, on, on the other side, I did... 44:29 Okay, I did also buy a lav mic to make- Mm-hmm... short-form video. Okay. Here we go. Wow. So I, you know, if- You know what you do? You can make short-term, short-form videos of your kettlebell protein journey. 44:44 Oh, God, no. God, no. And then fitness influencer. No. No, realistically- [laughs]... it's I, I want, I need to try to find a way to make short-form video versions of the work I do in Creator Spotlight and- Okay... 44:55 as a 60-second, here's what this essay is about type of thing. Um, I w- really, uh, and this is... If you, listener, if you hate me, keep listening. I'm gonna embarrass myself. 45:07 If you don't- They wouldn't have made it this far... you know, skip ahead like 30 seconds. We're 48%. They already lost. Uh, no, but- [laughs]... 45:12 I really, probably some Reels too, but really I want to do LinkedIn short form video. [laughs] Dude. Because there's a- I'm on that. Oh, God. Yeah. Sorry. Is that The Lumineers? Me too. [laughs] Uh, no, no, no. 45:23 Daisy, so a video, a Tasteland video, me, you, and Cab from Arena that we made, it was like our seventh episode- Okay... but it's us talking about, like, email signatures and like, "Oh, what's your fav... 45:34 Like, what do you use to sign off?" I get likes on it every single day. I had 20,000 impressions on that- I don't care... last week. A like means nothing to me. A like means... 45:41 But it's, it's been- LinkedIn, you're not the first person to talk to me about their goals, a conversation starting about 2026 goals, and the conversation ending talking about LinkedIn. Yeah. 45:54 So LinkedIn's having a moment. I hate to say, if you're looking at an analyst- My 2026 goals start and end with stacking paper, and I don't need LinkedIn to do it. Oh, okay. Oh, I think I might. 46:03 [laughs] Physical money or... Paper. I, I know I need LinkedIn- Francis... to make money. Link- Paper... I, I swore, I swore... Oh, what, you're writing a book? You're gonna stack pages? 46:12 Uh, I, I swore I would never make a LinkedIn account, and then in 2018 I did, because I was tired of working in the service industry. And I- Many such cases... not sponsored by LinkedIn here, LinkedIn did help me get... 46:26 Link- LinkedIn helped me build a better life. Whoa. [laughs] Wow. I'm gonna say it. It's embarrassing. Wow. I'm gonna say it. Oh, my gosh. Okay, wow. This is some millennial honesty. 46:36 So we're seeing short-form video content from you on LinkedIn. [laughs] That's what, that's what I'm hearing you say. I... Tom, can you just delete all that? While The Lumineers are playing quietly in the background. 46:46 No, no, no. Producer Tom, can you delete all that? [laughs] Uh-uh. Um, Daisy, what about you? St- oh, paper. That's it. Starting your 60s journey. [laughs] Okay, cool. That's concise. Okay. That's clear. 46:54 That's a little too m- that's a little boring and media train-... I just had a really earnest, vulnerable moment and- Yeah, I agree. I agree. Mm-hmm. We need something, anything. It can be anything from you. Okay. 47:03 My New Year's resolution is to be earnest and vulnerable. [laughs] Well, I feel- Starting next episode... no, I mean, I think, like, I would like world peace. I don't know if I dare to hope for it. Which... Are you... 47:15 So you're, you're... Are you aiming for the FIFA Peace Prize this year? I think if I stacked paper, I could bring it back m- about myself. I mean- Yeah... what... Elon Musk, i- he's not doing it right now. 47:26 He's not doing it. Mm. Mm-hmm. Okay. I think- Daisy, enough media training... he's, even with his baby mamas... enough, enough of your media training. Natasha, how about you? 47:33 Oh, um, well, I'm really trying to spend less time online. Um- Oh, you mentioned. So that's my huge, that's my big goal. 47:41 Um, and trying to find how am I good at my job without, like, spending 23 and a half hours a day on twitter.com- Yeah... is, like, going to be, like, a nice big, um, a, a beefy challenge, I think, for the year. 47:54 Um, and then- Beefy... beefy. They should rename David Protein Bars Beefy Challenge. [laughs] That's way better. Damn. Really? No. If I got a sex toy box with a protein bar- I-... called Beefy Challenge- Paper... 48:06 I would respect it. Honestly- I would fucking respect it... or you could just- I, don't clip that. I- You know what? I can't be part of that clip... you know what's way cooler? 48:14 What's way cooler is just buying beef jerky and eating beef jerky after you work out. [laughs] No, I'm j- you know, I bought beef jerky one time in an airport for my husband, and it turns out he doesn't like jerky. 48:26 Um, I, I, um, am a big beef jerky fan. Who doesn't like jerky? Beef jerky rules. [laughs] It's so good. I don't like, um, barbecue- Teriyaki... or ter- I don't enjoy teriyaki. 48:35 It's like, kind of like, has, like, citric acid. Mwah. Yeah. Um- It's, like, cutting your tongue as you're eating it. Mm. Anyway- Fundamental human experience... getting back to my goals for 2026. 48:44 [laughs] Beef on beef jerky. Watch. Um, no, I mean, I think there's some that we can talk about offline, um, off the p- off the pod. Um, but yeah, spend less time on the internet. Tom Brady. Dating Tom Brady. 48:54 [laughs] Um, no, that's not, that's not it. That's not it. Oh, my God. Um, and then I, yeah, I'm, like, learning French, and it's really bad. Mm. 49:04 And it's truly, like, I'm not gifted when it comes to languages, and I've never felt stupider than trying to learn a language. I don't know if either of you have tried as an adult. Not a problem. Mm-hmm. 49:12 But it's, it's... [laughs] German. Yeah. Um, so anyway, we'll see. I feel like I'm just, I feel like 2026 is gonna be a good year for me. 49:20 I'm feeling really positive vibes about it, so I'm just trying to keep that going, you know? Well, Natasha, thank you so much for coming. That was awesome. [laughs] This has been Tasteland. Good vibes. 49:31 Keep them coming, but we're also gonna stop in there. Thank you for, thank you for coming on. See you next week. 49:38 [outro music]
